E 22. Native American Heritage Month with Nicole Robey

This November we got to sit down and chat with Nicole Robey who is Winnebago Ho-Chunk and lives in Louisville, KY. She works for Amazon and is part of their Indigenous Leadership Board.

Robey brought fry bread to discuss the delicious and divisive history of this native food, and share her memories of it growing up. Although a childhood favorite to many, this dense, chewy, fried treat has its own dark history of colonization that is embedded in the stories of most native families.

We talk with Robey about everything from food to music to football to what it means to be white presenting. Did we say she can also dance? Yeah, she does that too.

Although we didn’t quote or pull directly from any source material, here are some of the articles and sites we used to prepare for our conversation:

Native American Branding In American Football: A Forgotten History

Nephi Craig, Farm to Table Food, and the Movement to Rediscover Native American Cooking

Fry Bread Is Beloved, but Also Divisive

Journal of American Indian Education


Winter Break

Happy 2021! We have been soaking up some much needed vacation time with our families and looking forward to big things in the next year. We’ve spent the past two weeks eating all the food, bingeing all the TV, and sleeping in past 7AM (we still have kids so let’s be reasonable).

This year, we have some major subjects to cover including bourbon, school lunch, Juneteenth, mac n’ cheese, and much more. We’re going to start off the year talking about dieting and weight loss, and the racist root of this awful, made-up construct. We also had the chance to have a long overdue phone call with our good friend Leslie Cuyjet about body image in the competitive field of dance. We’ll be recording next week, and the first show of the year will be posted January 19th.

If you can’t wait until then to hear all of the empowering and brain-changing things we’re going to discuss, do yourself a favor and stop dieting now. If you want to do something for your body, take it outside for some fresh air, feed it some power food, and let it rest.


Robert Woodruff’s Plantation

As promised, here is the silent footage of Robert Woodruff’s plantation outside of Atlanta. You can see some of the people who lived on the acreage and take in the vastness of the property. Below are quotes from the script from Episode 3: Ice Cold Sunshine. You can listen to the full episode on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

Darryl: If Walter Mack is the David in this narrative, Robert Woodruff of Coca-Cola was the Golaith. Robert Woodruff was the son of Earnest Woodruff – a rich businessman who took over Coca-Cola in 1919, purchasing the company for 25 million (376 million today). Robert became president in 1923 (refusing the position several times before finally accepting). Unlike his father, Robert enjoyed his wealth – among his handful of homes, he owned a plantation outside of Atlanta, called Ichuaway.

Kelly: Robert enjoyed the luxuries wealth provided. Woodruff’s plantation was 47,000 acres of “vast game preserves comprised of a group of homes, stables, and kennels surrounding a grassy circle shaded by magnolia trees.” There were 300 workers on the plantation who were mostly black sharecroppers. Black servants at the main house wore white porter coats and (to his face) called Woodruff “Colonel Bob” or “Mista Bob”. On Saturdays, after dinner, staff would sing spirituals for guests who were trained by Woodruff’s wife.

Source: The Real Pepsi Challenge by Stephanie Capparell



Welcome to Butter Pecan Podcast – a podcast about the racist history of food, and how it affects the choices we make today. One part history, one part culinary: we investigate the origins of a food or food product, and then create a dish in order to flip the script and reclaim the space.

In the first mini-series, we take a deep dive into the sticky history of our favorite soda. Join us as we follow John Stith Pemberton and Asa Candler on their path to inventing Coca-Cola, to the company’s disregard of black people as customers and workers. In the cooking portion of our show, Darryl will cook up a Civil War era green tomato pie, and use Coca-Cola to sweeten a pecan pie.