E 20. School Lunch (Part 3b)

In the second part of Part3 on School Lunch, we continue our examples of redlining in Louisville, KY. As we mentioned in our last episode, Louisville has a “rich” history of redlining and busing, so we decided to stay here and examen the city’s struggle with school integration. Because this is still an issue in our schools today, we will do a short bonus about an article on the continued segregation in our system that just came out in the Courier-Journal.

In this episode, we forgot to discuss the following paragraph from Louisville, Kentucky: A Reflection on School Integration written in 2016:

“In Louisville, housing segregation declined more than 20 percent since 1990, likely contributing to the city’s relative escape of Detroit’s struggles. School integration and housing plans can work together to reduce the dependence on busing for equal education. Louisville leaders offered three exemptions to the busing program: one to already diverse neighborhoods that met the racial balance goals established in the original court order, another to black families who made an integrative move into a predominantly white neighborhood using housing vouchers, and another to neighborhoods that eventually evolved into integrated environments. Although an imperfect plan, failing to prioritize socioeconomic status and overlooking public housing site selection in segregated neighborhoods, Louisville’s exemption policy produced an incentive for neighborhoods to become more diverse. Eventually, this provision ended, but not before the entire program of city-suburban comprehensive desegregation had limited the amount of concentrated poverty in the region and reduced white-flight from the city, stabilizing home values and tax revenues. Parents in Louisville can feel confident that the location of their home will not negatively impact either the resources or the racial composition of their child’s potential school.”

So be sure to tune into our next “Gravy” episode as we analyze this paragraph and discuss the current status of integration in Louisville.

Sources for E20. School Lunch Part 3b

Louisville, Kentucky: A Reflection on School Integration

The Quest Education

Pioneers Recall Busing in 1975

The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein



First, we are excited to announce that Butter Pecan is now distributed by Louisville Public Media, and you can find us on their website and listen to us via the LPM app.

This was a few months in the making and we couldn’t be happier to be part of the LPM community. Thanks to everyone who got this up and out, and a big thanks to Laura Ellis for deciding to take us on.

We also had the opportunity to talk with the Government Accountability Office last week as part of their Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion community of practice. At GAO there are different communities of practice for employees to share their interests and expand their knowledge.

We discussed how we started the podcast, the humor and levity we bring to some serious topics, and how to talk with people (or not) about race. Some of our past episodes were referenced and we had the chance to reflect on the work we’ve done so far. It was our first live event and it was a really great experience.

Thanks to everyone for your support and we look forward to what comes next as we begin to work towards our second year of podcasting.


We Made the List!

By Leo Weekly

Louisville’s local magazine the Leo Weekly has compiled a list of hot local podcasts, and we made the cut! We are so honored to be on the list of 9 Local Podcasts You Should Be Listening To along with some other really awesome podcasts that cover history, music, and movies.

In other news, we have had a few weeks off to tend to personal matters, as well as take care of ourselves. Plus Kelly had to paint her entire gd living room and that took about a week. But we will be back next week with an update on what Coca-Cola has been up to with a re-recording of Episode 3 which we originally kind of messed up the audio.

We will also be doing a bonus Q&A episode if you would like to send us any questions or leave questions here in the comments section.

Upcoming episodes that we are currently working on, include:

  • Grocery Stores
  • Bourbon
  • Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month
  • Juneteenth

If you would like to send us any stories about being followed in the grocery store, or getting a sideways look when you ordered some top-shelf bourbon, or what it was like growing up Asian in a non-Asian community, please write us at


FDR and The Secret of his Paralysis

As we discussed in our bonus episode on polio, FDR suffered from paralysis in his legs due to polio. At the time of his infection, he was a rising politician and didn’t let polio or paralysis stop him. Unfortunately, he went to great pains to hide his differently-abled body instead of showing the world that you can be in a wheelchair AND be President of the United States.

FDR would not allow photographs or film be taken of him in his wheelchair, being helped in or out of a car, or struggling to walk (he had developed a method using leg braces, a cane, and holding onto another person in order to walk when he needed). But in this rare footage from the 1935 White House Easter egg roll, FDR walks out to greet the guests. It is theorized that because of the large crowd, the secret service did not spot Fred Hill who was filming that day. Otherwise, they would have seized the camera and film.

The White House footage begins around the 1 minute mark and FDR walks out soon after.


We’re in TAUNT

We had the opportunity to write an article for the most recent publication and we are thrilled. TAUNT is an Indie Magazine out of Louisville, KY and run by the local treasure, Minda Honey.

If you want to know more about how this podcast came to be, go check out the article. And while you’re there, see what other writing is being showcased by this fine outlet. We are so lucky to have our story out in the world and excited to have this collaboration with one of our new favorite publications.

Food, Protest, and Podcasting


We Got Some Press!

From The Courier-Journal :Louisville podcast explores how race impacts food

We were more than thrilled to be featured in a recent article in Louisville’s Courier-Journal a few weeks back. We had the pleasure of speaking with Dhalia Ghabour about our passion for food and history and where we hope the podcast will take us.

Check out the article by clicking the link or picture above.

***One thing that we did want to make clear was that this is NOT a Louisville Cream podcast, we just work there (and/or own the store). It consumes a lot of our life, especially during this pandemic, so the lines may appear to blur. But this is a Kelly and Darryl podcast and we represent only ourselves and opinions. We work very hard on the content and do no get paid by Louisville Cream nor aim to promote it (although I just sited the name, like, three times).


Macaroni and Cheese is a Black Thing

Here’s the clip of Pat Robertson inexplicably not comprehending the glory of mac n’ cheese. Adrian Miller describes this interaction at the beginning of his chapter on the dish and we shared the audio on the show, but none of this compares to actually seeing Robertson’s bewilderment.