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E6. Dieting While Black Part 1

We’re back in the New Year and we’re here to talk about dieting. Darryl and Kelly discuss their own experience with diets, the bold choice to take up space, and the different ways it affects men and women.

We also got the chance to talk with our friend Leslie Cuyjet a Louisville KY native and professional dancer based in New York City. We discuss Leslie’s work, relationship to diets, and how things are changing in the world of dance as the BLM movement continues. Leslie brings her perspective on body image as a black woman whose own body is a main component of their work.

On a personal note, I wanted to include this picture of Darryl and me that we had taken when we were making the website. When I reviewed the pictures, I felt devastated. To me, I looked bigger than I felt and didn’t like the way my stomach pushed out over my jeans. But since then (this may be surprising) I have stopped trying to lose weight. I have put my scale away, stopped counting calories, and also threw away those jeans. Not only were these all things that were not serving my health, I’ve realized that the way I look at my own body is a practice in fat phobia, and I was approaching my wellness in a way that looked at my own body as evil.

This is all to say that it takes time and patience to move beyond the cultural ideas that fat is bad and dieting for weight loss is good. Be kind to yourself, send love to those parts of your body that you often hate, and maybe go outside for some fresh air. Treat yourself with love and kindness as we move into this New Year. Cheers!

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Just Gravy 3: Waldorf vs. Watergate

We posted our holiday episode last week, and if you haven’t had the chance over this busy week to listen to it (just like it took us a week to post it here on the blog), then you can check it out now.

Darryl and Kelly got together to discuss some of their weird family foods and the little they know about the origin of these dishes. We look forward to doing more in-depth episodes on these “salads”in the future.

If you have weird dishes that your family serves, please tell us about them in the comments or send us an email at butterpecanpod@gmail.com

Thank you all for following us in 2020 as we began this podcast – it has been one of the few gifts that the year has provided both Kelly and Darryl. This show has been something that we have both wanted to do for some time and it somehow got dug out of this insane, horrible, depressing year. We look forward to a big 2021 and hope to see you all on the other side.

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E5. Butter Pecan Ice Cream

This all started with ice cream. After a year of working for Louisville Cream, Kelly had noticed a pattern that she felt too shy and too embarrassed to ask anyone about. A google search did not answer her question and she didn’t yet consider turning to twitter, so one day she asked: Is Butter Pecan a “black thing”? With Darryl’s signature laugh, he replied, “Of course.” And so began months of research and digging, and what ultimately became the larger project of this very podcast.

In this episode about our namesake, we share what we have discovered so far about ice cream, and talk a little bit about how it all began. If you have your own story about Butter Pecan ice cream or eating ice cream while black, please send us an email at butterpecanpod@gmail.com or leave a comment below.

Sources for E5. Butter Pecan Ice Cream

Recall That Ice Cream Truck Song? We Have Unpleasant News For You

The Vanilla Ice Cream Story: The Guardian

On this day in black history: The ice cream scooper is invented

The ‘father of ice cream’ was a black Philadelphian who served in the White House. Or was he?

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Just Gravy 2: The Henry Heinz Murder

Lucy Candler Heinz, daughter of Coca-Cola founder Asa Candler, was upstairs getting ready for bed in September of 1943 when she heard her husband yelling for her downstairs. She hurried down to find her husband, Henry Heinz, wrestling with an intruder. While Lucy ran upstairs to retrieve the gun Henry kept in their room, she heard a loud gunshot and returned to find that her husband had been shot. The story that follows is weird, confusing, and let’s not forget, racist.

Listen to our second Gravy episode as Kelly and Darryl take a break from food to discuss how they might get rid of a body, and how they themselves would like to be remembered. Kelly also weaves a fantastical story of murder and mayhem as Darryl geeks-out about old-timey architecture.

Sources for Just Gravy 2 :

Formula for Fortune by Ann Uhry Abrams
The Henry Heinz Murder from History Atlanta by Conor Lee

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E4. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Coke Is Not It

In our final installment on Coca-Cola, Darryl and Kelly cover the discrimination case brought against the company in 1999-2000 and the decades leading up to the final ruling. We talk dress code, hierarchy, and “the issue of invisibility” at Coca-Cola. The series ends in the present day as we process Coca-Cola’s response to the Black Lives Matter movement in June.

Please bare with us as we recorded this episode remotely, got silly at times, and freaked out a little bit about the stuckness of it all. We also did the Pepsi Challenge, which was at the same time hilariously fun and incredibly disappointing.

Sources for Ep 4. Coke Is Not It

“The Real Thing” By Constance L. Hays

COCA-COLA SETTLES RACIAL BIAS CASE By Greg Winter

Anti-Bias Task Force Gives Coca-Cola Good Marks, but Says Challenges Remain By Sherri Day

Coke’s Not It: 16 Workers Sue, Call Giant ‘Cesspool’ of Racial Discrimination By JOHN MARZULLI

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E3. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Ice-Cold Sunshine

Welcome to our third installment of our series on Coca-Cola. In this episode, we further discuss the racial history surrounding cocaine and the impact of the “dope fiend” trope, discuss how Pepsi had a different approach to black workers and black customers, and find out how Coca-Cola finally begins to catch up to the changing political and culture climate of the 1950s.

In the second part of this episode, we talk to Darryl about his pecan pie recipe and how we burned Coca-Cola in his kitchen in the first attempt. We talk about the odd custom of drinking peanuts with Coke and the other dishes you can make using Coca-Cola.

Sources for Episode 3. Ice-Cold Sunshine

When Jim Crow Drank Coke By Grace Elizabeth Hale (NY Times)

A brief History of Racist Soft Drinks: Adam Clark Estes (Atlantic)

Why We Took Cocaine Out of Soda: JAMES HAMBLIN

The Color of Cola By Warren Goldstein 

The Real Pepsi Challenge – Stephanie Caparell

The Racist History of Cocaine: American Addictions Center

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Just Gravy 1: Shauntrice Martin

Way, way, way, way, way, way, way back in September when we were scrambling to put together our first episode and our first recipe, we needed green tomatoes. Darryl got ahold of Shauntrice Martin, founder of #FeedtheWest and owner of Black Market, and she came through immediately.

Shauntrice is one of many individuals working hard here in Louisville, KY to bring food stability to our city. She took the time to answer a few of our questions, and describe the work it takes to bring the vital necessity of food to people in need.

A big thank you goes out to Shauntrice for taking the time to talk to us, and Feed the West, Change Today/Change Tomorrow, and Black Market for helping fight hunger in our community. Click on the images above to find out more and check out Shauntrice’s site and donate if you can The Black Market KY Launch

Thanks for checking out our first Just Gravy bonus episode. We continue our series on Coca-Cola in the next full-length installment.

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E2. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Coca-Cola Revives and Sustains

In the second installment of our mini-series on Coca-Cola, we’ll hook up with Asa Candler and follow him from his boyhood on a plantation to his part in the 1906 Atlanta Race Massacre. As we dive further into the history of Atlanta, we’ll discover how many aspects of the city Candler was involved, and how his influence would eventually carry him to a career in politics.

We’ll further examine the troublesome ingredient of cocaine, and the fear it created around Black culture and specifically Black men.

Join us as we investigate the man who made Coke what it is today, and whose influence continues to be felt throughout Atlanta and the world.

Sources for Episode 2. Coca-Cola Revives and Sustains:

Formula to Fortune : How Asa Candler Discovered Coca-Cola and Turned it Into the Wealth His Children Enjoyed

The Real Thing : Truth and Power at the Coca-Cola Company

The Coke Machine: The Dirty Truth Behind the World’s Favorite Soft Drink

“Good Negro-Bad Negro” The Dynamic of Race and Class in Atlanta

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E1. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Drink Coke

Welcome to our first episode! We are so excited for everyone to finally hear this thing we’ve been working on for the past several months. In this podcast, we have created a form of protest that educates, enlightens, and literally (and/or figuratively) feeds our audience.

We started with the history of Coca-Cola. The material that turned us on to this subject was a 2013 article in the Atlantic by Adam Clark Estes – A Brief History of Racist Soft Drinks. We quickly found a thread to the story after reading that the creator of Coca-Cola, John Stith Pemberton, was a Confederate soldier in the Civil War. What we discovered was not only the history of a drink, but the stories and struggles of a city and region.

Follow us through as we track Coca-Cola from its creation to its most recent issues with race relations. Along the way, we will treat you to the recipes of two different pies – a savory Green Tomato Pie and a Pecan Pie made with reduced Coca-Cola.

Sources for Episode 1. Drink Coke:

Temperance and Racism

Columbus Historical Society

Pemberton Death and Obsession

Resting Garden Columbus

Camilla Race Massacre

Rome Georgia

Civil War battles

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Introducing Butter Pecan

Podcasts have always been a bonding agent for Darryl and me. The typical adolescent conversation topic of have you heard this band seemingly evolved into the adult version: I was listening to this podcast…

Darryl and I would talk about podcasts having to do with business, marketing, murder, history, comedy, and science fiction. I would sometimes pitch him my ideas for podcasts such as the one I titled “What’s Your Problem?” – a podcast where I would randomly ask people what their problems were and we would hash it out. There was also an idea for a more serious podcast about passive participants in history, such as Carrie Buck or Henrietta Lacks.

It wasn’t until I got the nerve to ask Darryl about an observation I made that we discovered a topic that sparked both of our interests. When I pitched the idea of Butter Pecan, he loved it and immediately wanted to be a part of the show. I am thrilled to have him as my co-host, and we are both so excited for everyone to hear what we’ve been cooking up.

Produced by Kelly Nusz and Darryl Goodner. Music by Pinky Liberachi